14 yr. old African Grey ill

May 13, 2008

Sick AG aggressive
by: The Vet

I am sure that euthanasia is not warranted in this case. The aggression is probably because he does not feel well, but may also be related to having to handle him to medicate him.

In my experience, there are only few things that cause odor in droppings. First, feeding Pretty Bird or ZuPreem can be a causative factor. Neither of these foods are good and should be removed completely from their diet. The high levels of sugars in these foods are a potential cause for yeast infection, which will cause an odor in the droppings. Regardless of whether these are the cause, you need to switch his diet because these foods are awful. There is nothing healthy about either one. The best you can feed is Harrison's High Potency. Switch to this diet no matter what it takes. I have switching literature if you need it. (Tracie has it posted under her training articles.) My methods are fail-proof. Harrison's in just a few weeks or less will return the intestinal tract back to normal and cause normal bacteria to flourish. I am sure there is yeast in the droppings contributing to this. Harrison's will HELP to eliminate the yeast, too. The Nystatin was supposed to do that. But it is not effective in cases of overload and it must be given on an empty "stomach" and no food for a couple of hours after giving it. In addition, many yeast organisms are resistant to Nystatin. Harrison's alone is not going to cure this problem, but it will help A LOT. If there is yeast still present, then another drug is necessary, such as itraconazole or fluconazole.

The next common thing I see causing odor is Clostridium. This bacteria is easily seen on a Gram's stain, but does not appear in a normal culture. It must be specifically requested as part of lab testing. The treatments with the antibiotics used so far will not take care of Clostridium. They will help initially, but the problem returns when the drugs are stopped. IF this is clostridium, the drug of choice is Clindamycin.

This could also be Giarida, or Gram negative bacteria that was not susceptible to the antibiotics already given.

Finally, your bird may have been curer, but re-exposed and reinfected.

Unfortunately, you will need to see your veterinarian again for more diagnostics and medications. You can even expect that if this round does not work, that maybe barium x-rays could be necessary.

Dr B

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I am sure that euthanasia is not warranted in this case. The aggression is probably because he does not feel well, but may also be related to having to handle him to medicate him. In my experience, there are only few things that cause odor in droppings. First, feeding Pretty Bird or ZuPreem can be a causative factor. Neither of these foods are good and should be removed completely from their diet. The high levels of sugars in these foods are a potential cause for yeast infection, which will cause an odor in the droppings. Regardless of whether these are the cause, you need to switch his diet because these foods are awful. There is nothing healthy about either one. The best you can feed is Harrison's High Potency. Switch to this diet no matter what it takes. I have switching literature if you need it. (Tracie has it posted under her training articles.) My methods are fail-proof. Harrison's in just a few weeks or less will return the intestinal tract back to normal and cause normal bacteria to flourish. I am sure there is yeast in the droppings contributing to this. Harrison's will HELP to eliminate the yeast, too. The Nystatin was supposed to do that. But it is not effective in cases of overload and it must be given on an empty "stomach" and no food for a couple of hours after giving it. In addition, many yeast organisms are resistant to Nystatin. Harrison's alone is not going to cure this problem, but it will help A LOT. If there is yeast still present, then another drug is necessary, such as itraconazole or fluconazole. The next common thing I see causing odor is Clostridium. This bacteria is easily seen on a Gram's stain, but does not appear in a normal culture. It must be specifically requested as part of lab testing. The treatments with the antibiotics used so far will not take care of Clostridium. They will help initially, but the problem returns when the drugs are stopped. IF this is clostridium, the drug of choice is Clindamycin. This could also be Giarida, or Gram negative bacteria that was not susceptible to the antibiotics already given. Finally, your bird may have been curer, but re-exposed and reinfected. Unfortunately, you will need to see your veterinarian again for more diagnostics and medications. You can even expect that if this round does not work, that maybe barium x-rays could be necessary. Dr B

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