Sun Conure small bubbles in poop, Should I be worried?? Vet says no.

by Darci
(Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada)

this is not my bird's poop but he small bubbles on the right are similar to hers

this is not my bird's poop but he small bubbles on the right are similar to hers

Hello I have a 5 year old Sun Conure who I have been working on converting from seed/healthy human food to Harrison's High Potency Fine.

At first her droppings appeared thicker and harder to expel, I called my vet and she told me to include more fruit in her diet, I have since done this and the droppings are coming out easier but since monitoring them more closely this past week I have noticed some tiny bubbles on the surface (3-5 small bubbles) which after reading some info on the internet caused me to be concerned.

I have since talkd to two vets and a Harrison's tech who told me this was nothing to worry about and is contributed to gas. I wanted another opinion on this issue and was wondering what could be causing the bubbles, in anything, besides clostridium. Should I be worried and take her to the vet ASAP or take the vets advice and leave it alone/not worry? Thank you for any help!

BTW She is eating/drinking/playing normally but seems to be extra tired, however she is not gettng enough sleep with my sister and her two small children in town (the kids wake up multiple times a night and disturb her sleep)

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May 25, 2016
poop
by: Bells

as a general rule if your bird has just eaten seed the his poop naturally should be well formed meaning in a coil with white. if he just ate beetroot its gonna look like he's bleeding internally. you should get him to drink from like the mouse water feeders as that way he will never contaminate his own water. This is usually how problems start. His poop shouldn't smell. Pellets are very good an all rounder so get a good quality one and use some seed and also at night when you have a feed dish him up some veggies and meat for that matter just not too much...and NO Bacon no matter how much you luv em! Spinach is good for them and your milk thistle and dandelion....these are so good....remember if you support your immune system it will support you. And most importantly don.t take em from a warm room into a cold backyard. Or slot them in front of a draft...give them plenty of sunlight. and interact with them as much as you can because no bird should ever be caged. They have brains they have feelings...

May 03, 2016
alexzandrine parrot
by: karan.vermakabir@gmail.com

Hello my dear friends few days ago i bought alexzandrine parrot baby but i have no expertise like about which is healthy stool and how to know my bird is sick or healthy as before i lost 3 babies....plz guide me something as best of your knowledge

Feb 03, 2016
Follow up to previous post
by: Dianna DeCicco

Unfortunately my sun conure died about a month after I commented to the original post. He had clostridium and high blood sugar. His diet was Harrisons High Potency. The necropsy said he had findings consistent with Avian Bornavirus. I dont know if the actual virus was found. He had tested negative for bornavirus at more than one lab and I've read the test isn't always accurate. I just want to emphasize that our birds poop is something to pay close attention to.
I hope the original poster's bird had a better outcome.

Feb 02, 2016
what happens?
by: Anonymous

ı know that its been a long time since you opened this subject but ı wonder what happens to the bird? ı have bird like this and dont know what to do...

Editor's note:
Response from avian vet...

I personally do not see this problem as normal. It may be a small problem, or it could be the tip of the iceberg and develop into something more serious. I would recommend that you have more than just a physical exam performed to get to the bottom of this. A cloacal Gram's stain and culture for aerobes and anaerobes would be good to do. I also recommend that you have some basic blood work, dome more so to establish normal values, but also as a screen for any hidden problems.

Harrison's is the best you can feed and it should be at least 80% of the diet. The other 20% can be any fresh or cooked foods, or commercial treats.

These bubbles could be associated with diet or diet change, but ignoring it as normal is a mistake in my opinion. At least investigate the problem thoroughly and if it turns out to be nothing, then good, but if it is a problem and is ignored, it could develop into something more serious.

Dr B

Feb 19, 2015
read bottom comment
by: Kristybells

Those comments below the last one where she is picking and picking and at the toes as well ...shes using her toes to scratch her mouth. she picking her chest as its itchy...when thrush has been in the body for a long time they get hypovitaminosis A and with that there skins becomes dry and itchy and there feathers lose elasticity and you may see ripple in their feathers. wait til shes eaten heaps and part her feathers her crop will appear creamy colour with red veins through it and the crop will take longer to empty. this id THRUSH!

Feb 18, 2015
This poop does not look normal
by: Dianna DeCicco

This poop does not look normal. It appears Clostridium may be involved. Give it the sniff test. As the bacteria grows the smell gets very foul. It's also very painful for the bird. I'm treating a bird for Clostridium currently. I requested a test for this nasty condition after my birds dropping were foul and had some bubbles in it. My vet didn't think it was clostridium but did the test anyway. It came back positive. It is very hard to conquer this condition and we have been treating it for several months.
Birds don't produce gas. Clostridium feeds off sugar and does produce gas.
I see this is an old post so hopefully the original author can post the outcome.

Aug 13, 2014
bubbles
by: Anonymouskristybells

Im no vet but have cared for many birds in my time. she has thrush i betcha. it niggles her chest..if you look closely shes not chewing her toes shes using them to scratch her mouth and also trying to clear the slime. it can be see through you dont have to have thrush lesions in and all around the mouth it can take up camp further down. Her appetitie would be fine but shed prefer soft food. smell her breath... are her scales on her feet raised she id shes losing appetite she may have hypovitaminosis A which oftens occurs in conjuction as the thrush takes all her goodness. Look up thrush and candidiasis. fill her with leafy greens and beta carotenes. I bets she almost squats over the perch when she poops. the bubbles will be not frothy and just a couple or three of them.wait til she eats heaps the check her crop it should be thin and empty easily no crop stasis. she needs you go to war with this bugger or it will get resistant. Nystatin is safe but is fungistatic..will only kill on contact. So its hygeine first..good eating...if you support your immune system it will support you. Then while your killing it you have to replace the gap in the gut with good probiotic and do you best to change the environment so the yeast doesnt like it. Puting to many things in her water is bad so if you can do the drops in the mouth and added vitamins in the water changed twice daily or teach her to drink from a mouse water thingy with the ball it wont contaminate then sprinkle probiotic on her food. there is heaps more info out there...herbs etc too much to right down but after they eat seed it chould NOT be green and splattery! stay with it until a week plus after poop comes back to normal. Im not a vet so its your call...good luck

Aug 01, 2014
thrush
by: kristybells

when you see bubbles you have to ask why and see other things too like is your bird healthy looking meaning the plumage and feet /beak all these things add up. if you feed your bird correctly yet he doesnt thrive then somethings draining him. usually baxterial smells off . Protozoan there may be blood and loose yet good old thrush is yeasty and can affect.check the mouth. chrck her skin colour. her feather for mation...

Feb 18, 2012
Looks Normal
by: Anonymous

Looks like normal bird poop to me! I have a conure as well and usually looks like this esp. first poop when He wakes up in the morning.

Dec 04, 2011
hmmmm
by: AvianFanatic

im not a vet or anything but i do reccomend going to an avian specialized vet. it could be caused by parasites or a germ or virus. if so than your bird could be in serious danger. remember, its better to be safe than sorry :)

i have two parakeets at home~yay!!!

Dec 03, 2011
wait a minuet....
by: coldfang

i just had another idea!maybe she has a stomache ache/bug. or she could just haveto fart real bad!

Dec 03, 2011
hhhmmm....
by: coldfang

im training to be a vet but i dont know what to tell u.looks pretty icky but could just be somthing it ate?try thinking of something it could have recently ate that might cause a problem. let me know what happens id be intrested to know what it was.

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Sep 29, 2011
Bird farts and clostridium infection
by: Jeanne

I did some research on clostridium infection and found this blog: www(dot)probioticsmart(dot)com/blog/clostridial-diseases-in-birds-and-their-prevention/
I am very glad I read this page because I was not familiar with this disease.
I was looking for information and images to help me recognize an unhealthy bird stool.
I am glad I give my bird plain yogurt on occasion since it contains probiotics.
According to this blog, probiotics will prevent this horrible disease.

You really ought to seek out a real Avian Vet though so you can have a complete blood count and check your birds stool for parasites, even if it's just for peace of mind.
I know that Avian Vets are hard to find.
I have to travel from Rome, NY all the way to Ithica, NY to take my little guy (Congo African Grey, named Bongo) to Cornell University.
They have a companion animal hospital there.
The also treat farm animals, wild life and circus animals, and exotics (like our birds) of course.
I have to travel almost two hours one way but at least I know he's under the best care.
We're supposed to have yearly check-ups but he's just 1.5 years old right now.
I had a sweet little girl conure before.
After she died though, my husband got for me this little grey baby boy.

My regular vet is very good and is knowledgeable and was able to give a physical exam but they admitted they were limited as to their treatment for my bird.
Thank you though for your post because it helped me, I hope this will also be helpful for you... oh yea, my bird farts a little, too, and has those bubbles :)
I asked my doctor about the bubbles and he wasn't too concerned.
it's no big deal...
please read the blog to understand the difference and what to look for that may be serious.

Jul 23, 2011
i bet your bird will be surely ok
by: bird lover i <3 birds

dont worry about it my green cheek conure does the same thing and he is fine i think its probably just that your bird is just giving gas and that he\she is just producing gas bubbles and could you please tell me yur birds name thanks

p.s my birds name is tango<3

Mar 06, 2011
um
by: Person

me and my friend think (even though we are not vets) that you should worry. btw, If that black thing was a worm it is a parasite. it could kill your pet in a madder of days :( sry we are younger than you think. probably WAAAAAAY younger (hint we arent teens yet)

Feb 24, 2009
Response from justanswer.com Bird Veternarian
by: Darci

-Dr. Kris -- Bird Veterinarian -- Avian and Exotic animal vet for 17 yrs. AAV member. Co-Medical Director of The Gabriel Foundation:

I agree that having bubbles in the droppings is nothing to worry about. Bubbles can occur normally and may result from gas exiting the intestinal tract, or by having a little more urine in the droppings. A change in diet can cause either of these scenarios. Clostridial infections will often cause a significant foul odor to the droppings and will cause other symptoms as well (change in appetite, weight loss, etc).

Congratulations on taking the step to convert to pellets. Seeds just don't offer a healthy diet. Once she is accepting the pellets, don't forget to add in lots of fresh fruits and vegetables to make sure she is getting a fresh natural source of vitamins and minerals also. Please let me know if you have any additional questions.


-Dr. G agrees with this Expert (February 24 2009 at 6:35 AM)

Feb 24, 2009
Bubbles in bird poop
by: The Vet

I personally do not see this problem as normal. It may be a small problem, or it could be the tip of the iceberg and develop into something more serious. I would recommend that you have more than just a physical exam performed to get to the bottom of this. A cloacal Gram's stain and culture for aerobes and anaerobes would be good to do. I also recommend that you have some basic blood work, dome more so to establish normal values, but also as a screen for any hidden problems.

Harrison's is the best you can feed and it should be at least 80% of the diet. The other 20% can be any fresh or cooked foods, or commercial treats.

These bubbles could be associated with diet or diet change, but ignoring it as normal is a mistake in my opinion. At least investigate the problem thoroughly and if it turns out to be nothing, then good, but if it is a problem and is ignored, it could develop into something more serious.

Dr B

Feb 23, 2009
Additional Info
by: Darci

I forgot to mention when she releases the dropping there is a very faint almost fart-like/squish sounding noise that accompanies this. I noticed the bubbles a couple days in a row and all of her droppings (approx 4-5) today have contained at least 2 bubbles (up to 5) and also the slight "squish" noise when released. I have tried to contact my vet again but she isn't in until tomorrow, also she only works Tuesdays and Sundays... if you suggest I see a vet when should I get in ASAP or wait until Sunday?

She has also picking at her feathers excessively for a couple of weeks (she has been plucking her chest feathers for a couple years now but recently seems to be picking at them-not plucking-all over her body and also biting her toe nails)

If I take her to the vet what kind of tests do you suggest? She has never had any blood work done or fecal gram tests, only physical exams so far.

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