Yellow Naped Pairs

by Hussain Ali
(Kuwait)

Hi, I would be grateful if someone could answer my questions.

I have 2 proven pair dna'd they preen each other feed each other always together

I mostly feeding them mixed of Versel laga & Zupreem pallets, rarely fruots & viggies, boiled eggs,mixed seeds but the pallets provided all the time
(harrison's & roudybush cannot be found around here)

UVB Full Spectrum Lighting provided in my aviary it works 2-3 hours daily after the sun set, so means 15-16 hours day time for them. my aviary already air conditioned temp not more than 30-32c

I giving them some fertivet as AD3E & calcume

the females are already prepared the nest for couple of weeks & they entering in but nothing new until now

Please advise as to what signs I can expect to see if they settle down to lay eggs now , if they need specific temp & humidity, what more to provide or to prevent

Thanks & Regards

Hussain

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May 15, 2013
Yellow Naped Pairs
by: Linda

Hussain, it sounds as if you are doing things right, and now it is up to the birds when they want to breed and make fertile eggs and babies. There is no way to rush this, and it would be so good if you could take them to an Avian Vet if you have one anywhere near you. If not, you will want to speak with breeders of the Amazons and specifically the Yellow Napes if you can find them. You mentioned a trip to the US, and that would be a good time to see if you could set up an appointment to talk to an Amazon breeder or two. I say make an appointment because most are very busy. They will probably not allow you into the breeding area either because of possibility of bringing in infection and such.

You can explain your setup to them in detail maybe taking a few pictures of your cages and how they are done so they can help you more. As for myself, it has been a long time since I bred any birds, and all I do know is sometimes they just do not cooperate with our plans and this is how parrots are. The more anxious you become, the less likely they are to have a successful nest. They sense your stress and tension and then become stressed and tense themselves.

Relax and work with your birds and try and find some good breeders to talk with on your trip here.

Thank You for your faith in my opinions as it does my heart good to be honored in this way.

Linda

May 15, 2013
Linda/Tracie
by: Hussain Ali

Still waiting for your advice...

May 12, 2013
Linda
by: Hussain Ali

Hi Linda,

I'm really sorry for late reply

Actually she was sleeping in the nest box after that day I told you.

I was waiting for checking the eggs after the several days of laying, but you were completely right

They were infertile eggs & I really feel sorry for that

Then why should I got fake eggs to be changed with the infertile ... I really want to get some chicks

Please advise me the reasons of that.

What I have to do now to get fertile eggs....& what will be expected if I get the eggs out of nest box ?

Thanks & Regds,

Apr 30, 2013
Yellow Naped Pairs
by: Linda

Hussain, the fact that she is sleeping outside the nest box leads me to believe her eggs are infertile. You can verify this using the flashlight to see if you see anything in the eggs.

Light can be a problem, but unless she or her mate have chewed the opening hole larger, she should be getting plenty of darkness in the nest box. It could be she is laying infertile eggs at this time, so go ahead and get some of the fake eggs if you find these are all infertile.

There are many breeders of birds on both the East and West Coast of the United States. I don't know any of them personally as I've not bred birds in many years. A good way to find breeders in those areas where you will be is to search for them on the internet first. If you are looking for Amazon breeders, do a search on Amazon Parrot Breeders in which city or state you will be visiting. As I said, the bird breeding capitals of the US are on the East and West Coasts because of better weather for birds to be outside.

If your birds are just now beginning to breed and lay, you may need to be patient. I would also suggest they be examined by an Avian Vet if you can find one in your areas. Hopefully, other breeders may have other suggestions as to where you go from here.

So, check eggs to see if fertile and go from there on this nest. If hen is spending all night out of the box, I'd say these eggs are infertile, and make sure using the light behind each one.

Since you are leaving your country for the States soon anyway, it may be a good thing if the eggs are infertile. You will need to have the fake eggs before you leave though to make sure birds do not eat contents of infertile eggs.

Have a very safe and productive visit.

Linda

Apr 30, 2013
Linda
by: Hussain Ali

Dear Linda,

First, it's also grateful pleasure to get more information from the experts here
very special thanks to the quick and responsiveness in providing assistance and advice

Secondly, As per my information that eggs are inspected after the fifth day after the last egg layed

My nest box already designed with slider door in the back
The flash light will be obtained from a friend

But Do I have to deal with the eggs in a special way?

As you mentioned that it's normal if the hen stayed out of the nest for some periods
what about if she sleep out of nest is that normal too ?

As for the process of insulation
I can put an insulator nets to be closed nest box slot

If this is the appropriate way without get birds sensitive of opening the nest box, so the hen will not leave the nest after that.

Please advise

And please note I'm going to have trip at August summer 2013 to USA (New York, Orlando, San Francisco, Las Vegas, Los Angeles) if you are close to one of those cities please let me know
so I can visit some breeder aviaries farm to know more about my best birds

Thanks & Regds,

Hussain

Apr 30, 2013
Yellow Naped Pairs
by: Linda

Hello again Hussain! It is very good about the 3 eggs with the one hen.

It is normal for hens to leave nest for short periods to get food and water and walk around a bit. If you can, you can see if eggs are fertile or not. I mentioned earlier about a slider door behind front opening hole and don't know if you understood that or not. Someone will have to cut an open groove in top of box for a slider door directly behind hole so the hole can be closed for inspection of eggs and babies. Maybe someone can do this for you. A slit is cut in top of box so a flat piece of thin wood can be put into place to keep both parent birds out of nest box while you are opening it to inspect eggs and babies. The piece of wood has to completely close off entrance into the nest box hole so birds cannot get past it. You might have another idea about closing hole.

To see if eggs are fertile, you will need to gently remove an egg and hold a bright light behind the egg. A small flashlight will work. If you see a small dark mass in the egg, it is fertile, and the mass is the forming baby. If light shines clearly through the egg and no shadow of a mass is seen, the egg is infertile and needs to be thrown out. Infertile eggs go rotten in a short time. It is like if we leave chicken eggs out of the refrigerator, and they go bad. Rotten eggs can kill your birds and definitely make them sick depending on how much of the egg contents are eaten.

You may wish to get some fake eggs in the correct size for your Napes. These can be found on the internet and make sure species is the Nape or Double yellow Head size. When eggs are infertile, removing the real eggs and replacing with the fake ones can keep the hen from laying more eggs.

So, if you feel safe enough to open back of box and check eggs go ahead. The slider door I mentioned earlier keeps both parent birds out of the way while you are inspecting nest and is a safe way to do this. The male especially will be very angry that you are trespassing into his territory, so be very careful.

Good luck and keep in touch with us because it is a pleasure to talk with someone who knows so much about the birds. I love the Amazons and have raised some on my own and had many pet Amazons of different species.

Talk later,
Linda

Apr 30, 2013
For Linda
by: Hussain Ali

Dear Linda,

There would be some thing happy for you.

You wrongly understood me, I have two breeding cages with a nest box in each one, each pair (Male x Female) has there own privacy together.

Now one of the pairs are layed 3 eggs yesterday..But the female still staying some times out of the nest box...is that case is normal ?

So now what's the next step after eggs layed.

Please advice.

Thanks & Regds,

Apr 25, 2013
Don't give birds vitamins
by: Tracie

I would say, "yes" stop the vitamins. Please use this Find an Avian Vet link and contact an avian vet for advice.

Vitamins can cause organ failure if not properly regulated. The pellets should have the proper amount of vitamins necessary.

Apr 25, 2013
Tracie
by: Hussain Ali

The problem is I can't find the Harrison's food here

I can only get Zupreem & Versel Laga which available in our market.

So do I have to stop vitamins & Calcume directly right now ??

Apr 24, 2013
Yellow Naped Pairs
by: Linda

Hussain, I think I understand what may be going on now. You can only have one pair per cage and per nest box. If you have two females in the cage together with one box, they will never lay.

So, if I have understood you correctly, you have two females in one cage with one box? If this is correct, you will have to set up another breeding cage, have two males--one for each female and each hen has to have her own cage and nest box. I also do not advise putting the males together in a cage because they will probably fight with or without breeding adding stress to the situation. If you have an outside aviary you are using, then you will need to divide it into two areas so each pair has the privacy they need for breeding and laying. Outside flights have to have a closed in room in the back for safety and protection from the elements. The nest box would be hung in this little room, and you will need access to it just like in a cage situation.

If I have not understood you correctly, please advise. Otherwise, you will need two breeding cages with a nest box in each one. You can leave each male in with his female so he can protect her and sometimes feed her if needed. As you probably already know, the males do not feed the babies and can break eggs and hurt the babies once they are hatched. Depends on the male and his temperament.

Let me know if we are on the same page here because I certainly do want to help as best as I can. I've bred many kinds of birds and my favorites are the Amazons, so I know them and their needs well.

Linda

Apr 24, 2013
No vitamins for birds
by: Tracie

You can kill birds giving them vitamins. Since you are feeding pellets, they should be getting all the vitamins they need. Feeding Harrison's is the best way to ensure that your bird will not become egg bound from a calcium deficiency and have all the vitamins it needs.

Apr 24, 2013
Hussain
by: Hussain Ali

Also what about if I but fake eggs to encourage laying real eggs

if yes how many?, how long should I leave the fake eggs? & should I take the all fake eggs when they lay?

Regds,

Apr 24, 2013
With my regards
by: Hussain Ali

Dear Linda,

Thanks for your advise.

I have done all my studies and learned every thing about aggrission of the Amazons & my birds are already mature they both above 10 years old.

The nestboxs are already hanged out of the cages.

As I mentioned the females are getting in the nestbox for some times for 3 weeks ago. but when I checked in the nestbox there are still no eggs layed.

so is that means they are sittle down to ready for layying eggs in this period ?

Should I give them some more vitames or special food ?

Do I have to change the degree of the room or to give more humidity ?

Thanks & Regds,

Apr 24, 2013
Sorry
by: Hussain Ali

Is my question difficult for this limit
So can not anyone answer
And advise me

Apr 23, 2013
Yellow Naped Pairs
by: Linda

Sounds like you are doing everything you can to get them into breeding condition. I will say that Amazons are not breeding mature until they are around 5-6 and sometimes later depending on how they've been fed before you got them.

If you can find an Avian Vet, they both need to be examined before they breed anyway. Infections will be transferred to the chicks, and they will most likely die, so a checkup for any kind of infection would be wise.

Having the right kind of cage with an opening for a nestbox is called for as well. The nestbox hangs outside cage with only the front opening inside cage. This allows you access to nestbox to check on eggs and later babies. You may also need to know how to handfeed baby parrot formula.

I will warn you here that amazons become dangerous when breeding. They will attack you on-sight once they have eggs and/or babies in the nest. You will have to put a slider door in nestbox so you can have access without them being able to attack you. This slider would go in right behind the nestbox opening. If you don't have the tools for this, have someone else do it for you.

When I talk about Amazons and attacks, I am talking serious, have to go to the emergency room, injuries.

With that in mind get your study and learning done before breeding them, and understand they are exotic wild animals and can hurt you or your family very badly when breeding. I'm not saying parrots are mean on purpose. I am saying that all parrots are exotic wild animals, and the people who have them in their homes need to know exactly who it is they have.

Linda

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